Kathryn Binkley:

Hey. Hey. And welcome back to the podcast. Today, I have Teresa Kwon with me, and she is a leadership speaker, strategist, and coach. Teresa, hello, and welcome. Thanks for joining me.

Theresa Quan:
Hey. Thanks for having me on.

Kathryn Binkley:

I would love for you to tell everyone a little bit about you and your business.

Teresa Kwon:

I focus on leadership and team coaching. I'm just really passionate about helping purpose driven entrepreneurs scale their businesses and, you know, a key part of that is really unlocking the power of team. And so this is where I'm at. I'm working online. I used to work in startups, But now I'm here online and helping those who really are into making an impact in people's lives.

Kathryn Binkley:

Awesome. And you founded Daringly Great Leadership. And who do you work with?

Teresa Kwon:

Sure. So I focus a lot on people who are course creators, experts, speakers, those who are leveraging really their expertise and their experience and really conveying that online and wanting to really help other people who are struggling with perhaps something that they've overcome and really allowing them to reach more people, have more impact, be able to make more income as a great by-product of that and really at the same time, having more time freedom. Because as you're scaling, you can either scale up your time in the business or find a smart way to scale down your time while you are having more impact.

Kathryn Binkley:

Yes, love that. You've made such a difference already. You and I, of course, worked together, and I wanna put that out because I don't know. That'll probably come up in the chat, as we talk simoleon, but you're helping me as I am becoming a better leader and scaling my business through a team. I've scaled and continue to scale through other means with marketing, but there's just nothing like bringing on a team. I know for me, there was a time where I did not want a team. I didn't think I wanted a team.

Kathryn Binkley:

And then all of a sudden, I had this switch and realized no. I want to play bigger. I wanna really go all out, and so I knew team was gonna be a part of that. So I'm so glad that I found you.

Teresa Kwon:

Oh, and I'm so glad that we met even for beyond that. Like, I love being able to have fun with you.

Kathryn Binkley:

Before we get into specific content around leadership, I just wanna hear about your journey. How did you get into what you're doing? And I've heard this a little bit, but tell me about your story as to how you became an entrepreneur.

Teresa Kwon:

Wow. Actually, I just had a coffee with an old mentee of mine from, I kid you not, like, 15, 20 years ago. Like, we've spent a while. And I was just explaining to her that I feel like I've come full circle. So I actually come from a family business. Like, I grew up in an entrepreneurial family. You know, I think only recently I really admitted and embraced that actually come from both sides, 3 generations of entrepreneurs in my family, and here my becoming the 4th and I was kind of not embracing it for a long time, but now I'm fully embracing it. You know, I started my career because, you know, coming from a family business, like, I learned how to do it all, supporting nonprofits, working then into government, stepping into more the public policy arena, got to go international, working corporate, and most recently in Startups.

Teresa Kwon:

And, you know, it's funny to think that I started with a family business and here, Mike, starting my own business, like, 48 years later. Right. And honestly, I'll say that there was a catalyst moment that really triggered me into this and definitely more for personal reasons, you know. Like, I was just working dogged hours, 80 plus hours a week, not sleeping, not doing anything, but being a linchpin in the business at a start up, and it was wrecking my health. It was wrecking my marriage. And there was a point where my husband actually asked me for divorce, and that was a very pivotal time for me where I knew I was like, I can't do this anymore. We've got to be able to find a balance. And so I started side gigging and I had been looking at this kind of online entrepreneurial world, of course creators of coaches online.

Teresa Kwon:

Not sure what to make of it for, like, probably about 5, 6 years, 6 years and was side gigging as a business coach. And then last summer, it's like almost a year actually, I was let go from this startup. And it was like a sad moment, but also, like, the most thrilling moment when I think back because it was, like, freedom. Like, that was a thought that went through my mind. It was like, oh my gosh. Freedom. And I went home and my husband got home from work, and the first thing we did was book a flight to go travel and get away and work on our marriage. And then that has launched me into saying, like, I'm never gonna go back and I really wanna build a business on my terms and leverage the experience and expertise I have To promote and help those who really are in it to you know, that's aligned with my vision and my passion and my values online, and that's how I stepped into it.

Teresa Kwon:

So probably a year ago, I basically closed the door on corporate startups. I even had a corporate consulting business for 12 years. I closed all of it. All in one fell swoop. Boom. And done. And I just only wanna work online with amazing people who care about people who want to be difference makers and channel all of this into helping people like you, people like your audience, people who really want to make an impact in the world.

Kathryn Binkley:

I love that. It's interesting how many times I hear stories of some people could take as just absolutely tragic. Like, you know, being let go from a position and just turning it around for good, and that serves as that catalyst to go and do what you really want to do.

Teresa Kwon:

Exactly.

Kathryn Binkley:

So fascinating to me how often it takes something like that. And it's good to be grateful for those moments because I don't know about you, but this is a question I have sometimes. Would you have taken that step without them closing that door for you?

Teresa Kwon:

Oh, that's a good one. And I think about that a lot. You know, I'd already sort of disengaged to my heart, I stopped working the 80 and started working 60, which is still too many hours. I was already, like, checking out. I'll be honest. But the paycheck, having a stable paycheck when I'm the breadwinner of the family, I have extended family I support, that was really hard to let go. And so, of course, the whole idea was, like, build up my business so that I can Yeah. Step away.

Teresa Kwon:

I might not have stepped away at that time, but I'll tell you that my heart had already left. You know, the final kind of seal the deal thing for me was that, you know, like, Texas is a fire at will state so Literally, I can just, like, sneeze the wrong direction and they can let me go and that's totally illegal here. But the way they let me go was Honestly, like, there were things in it that just really sealed, wow, I should not be working for people who I don't share values with. Right? Like, there was just not integrity in that with the way that they handled things and that leadership. And I can say it too, like, that was partly what propelled me into, like, saying, like, hey, I'm gonna redefine leadership because there's a lot of poor leadership out there and that's a shame because there are a lot of amazing people who want to do good work and work with great people. And somehow, like, leadership's become this, it's like, you know, this kind of pie in the sky that you think we can't attain that, but we also have bad leaders. Does that make sense?

Kathryn Binkley:

Yeah. There are lot of bad leaders.

Teresa Kwon:

Moments that just, like, catalyzed. It could have, like, made me implode and go into right. Depression. But instead, it just, like, for me, it was, like, even more. It's like, look. Let me show you. I'm gonna change the world. Like, this shouldn't happening anymore at all. Right?

Kathryn Binkley:

Yeah. So good. So you talked a little bit about 2 things there that drove to start your business, both the personal reason and then the impact driven reason. What really lights you up in your business now?

Teresa Kwon:

Oh, my favorite moment honestly is watching the aha's happen. So one of the things for me personally too in my life is I have been mentoring mostly young women for, like, over 20 years. And I did that on the side partly because I just enjoy watching people come into new revelation, being able to empower and encourage people, stand alongside them and say, like, look, you can do it, like, go after your dream or, like, you can stand up to use your voice. And I feel like I've just pulled those things together, my love of mentorship and coaching and then also, like, being able to, like, share in my expertise and experience. So, yeah, those moments when and then you get them. You're a coach. Like, when you get to see people be, like it's, like, just click, click, click, and then you see not just click, click, and then you, like, see all the gears going. It's just like the most magical moment ever.

Teresa Kwon:

That's my favorite and that lights me up. I love that all I get to do is witness, like, people really stepping into their purpose, like, having dreams truly come true. Like, I love just being a guide in all of that process.

Kathryn Binkley:

That's amazing. Let's dive in a little bit to this topic of becoming a kind of leader that you want to follow. Yeah. And I remember I don't remember exactly when it was when we were working together, but within one of the first few calls. You walked me through an exercise where we actually talked about this. And I was reflecting on those that I consider bad leaders and good leaders, and it was just really powerful full for me. I know I had some aha's that you were just talking about. So let's dive into this a little bit for those who are listening.

Teresa Kwon:

I think one of the things that seems actually is really daunting about leadership, right, Right. Is that when we think of leaders, we think of someone on a pedestal and someone that we think of MLK, we think of, you know, maybe there's a president that you really looked up to or world changers who have changed the face of history. We put them on a pedestal and we think, like, wow, could I be that one day? Right? And yet, we look around and often, unfortunately, I think more times than not, we see leaders That fail us. Right? And so we have this ideal vision of what a leader is and yet, Like, because it's so ideal, well, like, we also look around and be like, well, why aren't there more good leaders? Right? And I feel like leadership oftentimes even if you, like, walk Through Barnes and Noble or you go through Amazon, if you look up leadership, a lot of the book covers, if you look at it, they're like people who are in suits, Very corporate, like, buttoned up, like, often men or military. And I'm like, it just makes me. Sometimes I'll walk through a bookstore on purpose because I just wanna see those books and be reminded and say, like, you know, that's actually not doing us a good service. Right? Like, that kind of leadership is not the only way. And I see leadership as someone who Is able to influence and move hearts towards action.

Teresa Kwon:

And if you use that definition, then there are So many people in our past, in our lives that have moved our hearts and even, like, helped the little click, click, click Happened in our minds that have moved us towards action. And so the exercise I like to walk through is to have someone first think about, like, what's your definition of leadership? Like, right? And you start writing all these words and, like, who do you think is a great leader and you start listing out all those things. Right? But we put that aside And if you're listening in, you're welcome to do this along with this exercise, but then what I like to do is talk about lights. Like, who have been the lights in your life? Like, basically, people who have guided you, who have been those people who have been a great mentor, people who you remember in your heart so fondly. It's like that teacher or that person that lady from church or that book even. Like, I've been mentored by books and, like, who are the people in your past? People you worked with even, people you volunteered with, people you even observed from afar, like, who are the people that you've actually in real life touched And have touched your heart and moved your heart and, you know, just thinking back to that. And then who are the people who, like, Who have been the disappointments? Like, there are people in our lives that have been a disappointment as a leader. Right? And it's like they fell a little short.

Teresa Kwon:
You are adults enough even as a child to be like, yeah. That's not how it's supposed to be. You know? Or, like, managers or bosses in the past that you've had that have been like, Wow. Like, really? That's just you shouldn't be that way. Right? And one of the things I like to do is, like, hey. Just Stop and let let's think about those people. And once you list out the names, think about, like, what are the qualities that those people exhibit.

Teresa Kwon:

How would you describe like, for example, I have a woman named Kitty in my past and she was like a mother To me, you know, and such a big influence in my life that helped me heal. And if I were to Describe her and what her qualities are. Like, I would start listening out. Like, she's just so compassionate and so warm. And she was such a wonderful listener and, like, just, you know, knew when to pause and knew when to press forward. Like, there are just so many things that can describe about how she influenced me. And I like to take that list of qualities of all the people that were the lights in your life. Right? Like, that really influenced you towards your growth Or your healing or your greater success, right, in and out of the workplace.

Teresa Kwon:

And then take that list and go back to that original one of leadership And compare the 2. Right? Because when you do that, it's like the list usually comes out to be. And I did this at a retreat recently with some ladies and, you know, they were just they called them these are all the soft words. That's what they would say. It's like Yeah. These are, like, Oh, empathy, compassion, like, listening, like, I can do all of those things. I thought leadership was honor and Integrity and, like, people follow me, and it was very masculine, but they were like, this is just so feminine.

Teresa Kwon:

How is this leadership? And I'm like, no. Absolutely. This is leadership because they influenced you. They influenced you to a greater version of yourself. And in that discussion, I like to always say it's like, hey. You know, can you be these things? Are you embodying these things? Because if you are, you are a leader and you can influence people in that way. And it's not about Having 4 stars on your shoulder or whether you are a perfect list of all these ideals That come in, you know, your typical leadership books.

Kathryn Binkley:

Yeah. I remember walking through the similar exercise. And I'm gonna see if I can even pull up my notes as Oh. To talk. That could be good. I'll see if there's something to pull out from there from my review. But I remember like, I really resonate with you talking about it being some of the softer skills because those are the things that stuck out to me. And I know for me, when I thought about those that were lights versus those I was disappointed in, such a big factor was just feeling like they really cared about me as a person, versus needed something from me.

Kathryn Binkley:

And I yeah. I know. Right? And as you were talking, I was just remembering Hal leadership in 1 organization that I worked with literally called me by the wrong name for, I think, so many years. I still got called by the wrong name up until, like, I think that just about the day that I left, it still happened. But in the first 6 months to a year. I was called the wrong name so many times.

Teresa Kwon:

Oh, no.

Kathryn Binkley:

It was the most thing, and this wasn't a huge organization. I'm talking about no. Yeah. I'm talking about, like, 20 something people. And but there were so many degrees of separation between I mean, there's just so much hierarchy in different degrees of leadership, so much separation. And it was the feeling when someone doesn't even know your name. Right? And you're working so hard make their vision come true. It's all about that care to me.

Kathryn Binkley:

So yeah. I'm sure you've got some more stories or examples. Can you share some things that you've heard about maybe some good examples and maybe even some bad, and maybe there's some lessons that'll come from that.

Teresa Kwon:

Wow. I haven't met one person who couldn't name at least 1. Right? At least 1 person that really moved and shaped It's interesting hearing your story about, like, how they kept calling you the wrong name. Right? And one of the words I remember in that list that I with this group of women recently was you know, one of the words was like, they see me. They don't just see me, but they see me and the potential in me and my intentions and my heart and they see a bigger, greater, grander version of me that maybe I can't even see myself.

Teresa Kwon:

And we're talking about another thing I talk about in leadership is beliefs and how oftentimes the thing that catalyzes just a kind, nice, empathetic person that gives hugs. Because that could be anybody, just the average nice person. But what makes them a leader is that they see you, they see that person, but then they believe. They believe in the future version of that person. The potential. Like, what's possible that maybe the person that they're mentoring or pouring into can't see in themselves. And that belief is what ignites and makes the difference.

Teresa Kwon:

I'm sure you can think of people who that have put that belief and trust in you, right, in your past. Yeah. And that's the difference between a nice person and someone who's a leader, to be honest.

Kathryn Binkley:

And oftentimes, they haven't been the same person that, if I look at the entire organization, had the most power or the biggest title. It's the person who took the time to stop by the office just to check-in and not ask for anything, but just to see how you're doing. And so I did pull up my notes from the session that we did. Yeah. And you're talking about experiences, emotions, and meaning. And I won't go through all of it, but it's right in alignment because some of the things that I wrote about the positive a examples where they were available. They poured into me.

Kathryn Binkley:

They were giving and investing and teaching, and it made me feel significant and important. And then the meaning that I assigned to that was that I was trusted, I was wanted and that bread loyalty.

Teresa Kwon:

I'm like, oh, yes. A 100%. Said, like and who doesn't want that in this world? Right?

Kathryn Binkley:

Right. Yeah. So okay. Let's shift because here's the thing, we're talking about coming, that leader that you want to follow. And this is an incredible exercise to bring up that awareness. And then I have to, like, think to myself, oh my goodness. Like, am I actually exhibiting? This is who made the difference in my life. But now I have a team or my family or whomever. But in my business, I have a team, and I'm most certainly failing at this more days than not. Even though I'm working on it actively, it's such a process, and it's not gonna happen in listening to just 1 podcast episode. You've got to dive in a lot deeper, you'll tell us how we can learn more and do more. But what's some of the first steps to actually bridge that gap Yeah. Coming?

Teresa Kwon:

Well, first of all, is to forgive yourself. Because, like, I already hear you're it's the, like, oh, but I feel most days than not. And, I I mean, you know, you hear parents say that too. It is a very parental thing. It could be because when you're coming from the place of good intentions and Julie from that place of love. And when you see the gap, like, it hurts you because you're like, oh, but I really want to be a good leader.

Kathryn Binkley:

And I really do care about my team members. I really do. And there is no but even though I wanna say, but what happens and it's not an excuse. It's just documenting kind of what happens. Things are just so busy, and we everything's moving at such a fast pace. And so our interactions tend to be, okay, what needs to happen? What needs to get done? What do you need from me? What's the next step? Versus pausing and slowing down. And so I think that's a takeaway for me today as well.

Kathryn Binkley:

It's just to take that time and pause and slow down. And one thing I used to do that I haven't done I can't help but share.

Teresa Kwon:

Yeah. Please. Have it.

Kathryn Binkley:

Yeah. I'm like Yeah. Come on. We're free. This is a step of mind. One thing that I used to do when I was a manager in corporate. I actually scheduled. I am a project management person, assistance person. And so I used to schedule reminders for me to check-in with team members.

Kathryn Binkley:

And I haven't done that in my own business. So I'm gonna do that. So that's just one little takeaway that I'm strength. But okay. Can you talk to us more about that transition? So forgive yourself first.

Teresa Kwon:

Forgive yourself first. You had to grace. And I'll say this part first, anecdotally, is that it's a lot like, you know, you're a parent, and I'm sure that you've had a lot of appreciation for your parents even now after being a parent. And so same thing with leadership. I think that so many of us have these disappointments, they should know better or why did they say that or I don't understand why they would do that's Just like, Dustin, you shouldn't do that. We say these things about the leaders around us whether we actually know them or not.

Teresa Kwon:

But as you step into leadership, I think you'll grow in your the grace for other leaders as well because you realize how can be one of the hardest things ever. Just like parenting is one of the hardest things could never do. But I always like to start with this is that activity and I'm glad you brought up the experience emotion meaning part is that all of that actually are the legs of really what a belief. And when that belief can either limit you or it can propel you. So it really starts with kind of your paradigm of the world and recognizing, like, what do you believe about leadership? What do you believe about yourself as a leader and what do you believe about the people? Like, some definitions are, like, with leadership, it's like a leader is someone who has followers. There's like one definition like that. But, Lisa, what do you believe about leadership? And then taking a step back and looking at how you evaluate your relationship. And then let's go here.

Teresa Kwon:

So one of the things I like to talk about is transactional versus transformational leadership. And I think a lot of us in the work, we've all probably had some kind of job at some point in time whether that's a chore for allowance to, like, having salary jobs for fulfilling our job duties. There is a transaction. It's a contract if you think about it. If you do this, you're gonna receive this. And so we have decades of programming in ourselves that says, like, hey! This is the contract. This is the deal. This is what you're agreeing to do. And for that, my agreement is to compensate you in this way. And so that's a very transactional relationship. And that looks at and as a business owner, just pulling it a little bit closer is that when you are hiring team members, Oftentimes, the compensation is money. Right? And so it's money going out, which in the accounting world is an expense. Right? And so you look at it as a loss.

Teresa Kwon:

And it's like money out, you're not giving back, then there's this kind of impasse slash almost resentment that can build because the contract is not being fulfilled. Now transformational leadership is to look at that tracked not as an exchange of goods for services or time for money, but looking at as a contract as an investment. Hey. I'm choosing to invite you into catalyzing and growing am building something so much bigger than us. Right? And it's not about help me build, But let's build something greater together. We're better together and I'm investing in you and I'm asking you to invest in me. And the money part may switch hands, may, like there's some transaction, sure. But the choice Is that you're choosing to look at this contract, if you wanna call it that, or relationship as a an investment.

Teresa Kwon:

An investment of your Time and your heart. Because if we're going back to that original list of, like, being seen, someone believes in me, someone stops To listen, someone really cares about me and knows my name for crying out loud. Right? That is a choice. Right? The choice is to say, like, hey. My heart sees your heart, and that is hard To do when you're just transacting money, right, where it's dot time for dollars, dollars for hours. But if you look at it as an investment, as a leader, if you're saying, like, I can't be those things and those are the people that moved me, those are the people that open their hearts. And when you open your heart, that's an investment of you, your energy, your awareness, your love your care, your time. So when you look at it that way, it's so much more than just dollars for hours.

Teresa Kwon:

Then you are invested in their transformation as much as they are invested in the transformation of this business. And it becomes a win-win relationship. And so, you know, tying it back to that topic of, like, how do you become the leader that you would follow? It's like, who are the people that moved you and how did they do that? Well, they did it with heart. They did it because they chose to care. Chose to see you in the sea of so many and that awareness Is an investment of your energy and your being and your life. And if we bring that into our businesses and seeing how bringing that kind of leadership here and yeah. Sure. For me, money is a form of energy And it and that it's so small in comparison to the real energy exchange that's potential and happening.

Teresa Kwon:
And so if you shift From seeing team members as an expense into an investment, right, a mutual win-win investment, like, I think that is one of the shifts I like to help people make Yeah. As they're stepping into leadership.

Kathryn Binkley:

That's incredible. There's so many arms and legs to that. And I know through talking to you how many different places that feeds into that and that that impacts and you touch and you help people with a lot of things because it starts before they're on board. Starts right? And you go through this whole process with your clients, helping them to figure out the right fit and to hire well and to onboard well and to establish the culture and the values and then instill that, communicate that all the way through.

Teresa Kwon:

And then the thing is that all of those things, like, you can Google it. There's a checklist out the wazoo out there. But if you don't have the right mindset and, like, you haven't made the shift From however you are operating or, like, made the shift from just being operational, really is what it is. It's Yeah. To transformational and seeing that and stepping into leadership and not just management, Right? Then you can go through the same checklist that have completely different results.

Kathryn Binkley:

Yeah. That's true. And so, yeah, you provide the practical side, but you never stop there. You always go deeper because that's what you're saying is that's the difference. That's taking it from that transactional to transformational through every phase.

Teresa Kwon:

Every phase. And then and then it's work. That's why it's like, oh, then you remember her because, you know, as a parent, as a partner, as a friend, like, you're not gonna be perfect. You're human. You're gonna have moments of, like, I really do care, but right now in this moment, like, I'm so annoyed beyond annoyed. And I'm just, like, maybe not acts like it, but I mean, you know, so there's moments of, like, you know, just being human. But if you're in that transformational relationship, it's like They can see your heart.

Teresa Kwon:

They can see your attention, you know, despite maybe whatever action it's like. And that's what helps breed a work Family versus, like, an employee boss relationship. In fact, I hate the word boss for that reason. It just positions you and establishes a different kind of relationship versus, like, having this, like, a leader And team or fellow team member relationship. And so yeah. So that's why it starts with forgiveness. You have to just be like, know that you're not gonna be perfect at it. You know? That's just par for the course.

Kathryn Binkley:

I hear you. And I'm glad that you said that because, yeah, I need to just put it behind me, forgive myself, and get better, and then mess up again, and forgive myself again.

Teresa Kwon:

Even I think, like, to our language, You know, something that I'm constantly working on as well. It's like we don't realize how much our language things, you fail, you mess up. Like, even using those words is adding a layer of critical pressure Back on yourself? Yeah. And, I mean and this is going into more, like, brain science and NLP, but, like and this is why I'm I personally am trying to work On my own language choices, like, being very mindful of what comes out of my mouth or what I'm thinking, the word choice, is that Whenever you use those words, you're actually signaling your brain that this is true and then go find more evidence of this is true. So what could you say differently, Katherine? You really said I messed up. So what could you say?

Kathryn Binkley:

When I see room for improvement.

Teresa Kwon:

And so there are 3 spheres of leadership. One is self leadership. And this is what we're talking about right now. It's like self leadership. You're not always gonna have the kitty who's gonna always know when to come over and give you a hug. You need to learn how to love yourself in the way that people have loved you To become the better version of yourself. And so that's self leadership.

Teresa Kwon:

And I think language, that's one of the fastest ways That we can grow, in self leadership is by being very aware and choosing our language well. And when we do that for ourselves, That inevitably also comes through as we're communicating to other people. Right? Like, we may say some words that, like, it's like, well, that's actually not what I intended, but this is the word that I said and that's what they heard and that's how they're you know what I mean? So if we learn how to love ourselves first, Then we're able to love others without even having to, like, try to choose the right words and how to, like, okay, I wanna see this, not offensive, like, blah blah blah. But, like, I really want them to understand how serious I am. Like Yeah. We all do that.

Kathryn Binkley:

Of course. So there's self leadership, and you said that's one of the 3. Do you mind just rounding that out for us and just we don't have to dive into them at all, but just what are they so

Teresa Kwon:

Sure. So there's self-leadership and then it's kind of like a 3 circle Venn diagram. So self leadership, you have people leadership, then you have leadership. And so this we were just talking about that crossover between self and people leadership. If you work on Like, so there can be practical things. Right? Like and this is a very practical piece. It's like learning to lead oneself, Right? By being aware of the language we use and what we're signaling to our brain. Right? Because it's just so much harder.

Teresa Kwon:

I'm such a screw up. Like, I suck as a leader. I failed. And society sort of teaches us to self shame ourselves like that Too much, unfortunately, but we don't have to do that. So it's like how do you self lead? And then what as you are honing that awareness And language choice gets faster. And when you do that, then as you are communicating with the people and Overlap is influence. So because you're influencing others, like, you're able to do it more from a place of love Them from a place of lack.

Teresa Kwon:

And then organizational leadership. So that's how do you influence them and how do you communicate with them through culture and core values. And how do you influence people people's hearts to become a better version of themselves? And management falls into that as well from the people management part, like you said, check-in, just like these guys. Right? And the organizational leadership has to do with strategic kind of planning, direction, like how you structure things with processes, like how you like, org maps. Like, how do you lead from the business as an organism, You know, to function in harmony. Right? And so all those 3 overlap to become, like, leadership. And that's why it's so hard.

Teresa Kwon:

There's so many moving parts. There are. You would take one of those.

Kathryn Binkley:

So if someone wants dive in and learn more about all of those or any of those or just 1 in particular. How could they find out more?

Teresa Kwon:

Well, I am always in my Instagram. Love getting DMs. In fact, my favorite actually is voice notes In DMs. It's because it's like I don't know. It's just much more human to be able to reach out in that way. So I'm always on Instagram, daringly great leadership.

Teresa Kwon:

My website is daringlygreat.com. I'm also daringly great on all the other channels, Facebook, Pinterest, etcetera. And I love to share a lot on my Instagram, so in my stories and IG TP and IG live. I've been trying to build up my Facebook live as well to be able to share more in terms of how To look at leadership differently and how you can step into it and think about things.

Kathryn Binkley:

So if you're listening and whether you already have decided that you want a team to lead or not because there's the self leadership part as well. Go check out Teresa, especially if you've that you want to build and grow a team and explore all 3 dimensions of leadership, then she's someone that you're gonna wanna connect with. So find her, DM her. You'll get some sweet voice notes back in gems.

Kathryn Binkley:
And, you know, as we wrap up, any final words? Anything that you just wanna share to leave everyone with?

Teresa Kwon:

Kindness goes a long way. And it's not just being kind for the sake of kind. It's from a place of love. And You have experienced leadership in profound ways that you may not have been able to put your finger on or maybe connect back that, oh, that was leadership. And so I just wanna encourage you to do that exercise and think about those moments and those experiences. How did that make you feel? What did it mean to you? And look at that pattern of how your heart was moved towards greatness. And start to really embrace that into your own patterns of relationships, whether that's, your family, whether that's friendship, and definitely, certainly with your clients and or your team.

Teresa Kwon:

And it's just so much more doable than I think we think. Like, we We all have these, like, leadership I have stacks and stacks of leadership books everywhere. But but at the end of the day, it's like, you know what true leadership is like, And the kind of leader that you want to follow is the very kind of leader you can be.

Kathryn Binkley:

I love that. Thank you so much for joining me and sharing with everyone. This is one that is gonna be so, so important and can make such a big difference for everyone to hear, so I'm glad that you're able to join me!

Teresa Kwon:

Thanks for having me on!